The Self-Dissolving Principle Vs. Sortition

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The Self-Dissolving Principle

Firefighters should do everything in their power to uphold fire prevention measures even at the expense of their own careers. If a governmental body or institution no longer serves any purpose, it should be abolished. Both statements sound completely reasonable and completely necessary.

The Self-Dissolving Principle states that any person or institution providing a service to the public must provide that service to its fullest extent even if it means the provision of that service is no longer necessary. The result is that the person formally providing the service must eventually change careers and the institution providing the service dissolves.

If there is a machine that can replace all surgeons and is proven to increase public wellbeing, surgeons are not allowed to block that automation. Any surgeon trying to block automation beneficial to the health of the public is not performing their full responsibility to society. Wouldn't it be great if we were all as highly educated as cardiologists in the field of cardiology? If there was a way that we could all become cardiology experts, any cardiologist blocking that reform is not performing their full responsibility to society. If there was a pill that could cure all diseases, any healthcare worker obstructing the introduction of that pill is not performing their full responsibility to society.

From a healthcare perspective, the Self-Dissolving Principle is like the Hippocratic Oath but dealing with the relationship between healthcare occupations and the public receiving their services. A healthcare worker blocking public access to medical information not given directly from themselves harms the general public. In that scenario, harm is not being done when an individual patient goes to that healthcare worker for information (assuming the right health information is given), but harm is being done in terms of the occupation's relationship with the general public; the Hippocratic Oath is satisfied, but the Self-Dissolving Principle is not. For one to be considered truly responsible and professional, both principles must be satisfied.

The Self-Dissolving Principle is necessary for maximum efficiency in society because it ensures that people are always providing services that satisfy a genuine societal need.


In governance, sortition (also known as allotment or demarchy) selects political officials as a random sample from a larger pool of candidates.[1] The logic behind the sortition process originates from the idea that “power corrupts.” For that reason, when the time came to choose individuals to be assigned to empowering positions, the ancient Athenians resorted to choosing by lot. In ancient Athenian democracy, sortition was therefore the traditional and primary method for appointing political officials, and its use was regarded as a principal characteristic of true democracy.

Today, sortition is commonly used to select prospective jurors in common law-based legal systems and is sometimes used in forming citizen groups with political advisory power (citizens' juries or citizens' assemblies).1

Video: What did democracy really mean in Athens? - Melissa Schwartzberg

The video wrongly describes Athens as democratic and modern Western states as representative democracies.2

Athenian rule by the many excluded an awful lot of people. Women, slave, and foreigners were denied full citizenship. And when we filter out those two young to serve, the pool of eligible Athenians drops to only %10-20 of the overall population. Some ancient philosophers including Plato disparaged this form of democracy as being anarchic and run by fools. But today, the word has such positive associations that vastly different regimes claim to embody it.3

The video goes on to show that Athens was not ruled by the many and was not democratic. Plato didn't even like Athen's fake democracy. He must have really despised real democracy. The US and Cuba both claim to be democratic. The video describes the regimes ruling over these countries as vastly different, but they are similar in that both are exploiting the term 'democracy' to maintain inverse-civilized conditions.

Sortition is the phoney-liberal attempt to create the appearance that the Self-Dissolving Principle is being practiced. I talked to one British gentleman who proposed the idea of using sortition to select new members to the House of Lords. I told him that the more progressive solution would be to abolish the House of Lords altogether if its function has become obsolete and it is no longer performing any altruistic service to society. The argument for sortition is that power corrupts. If power corrupts, then maintaining the House of Lords while selecting new members via sortition will only corrupt those new members. Using the Self-Dissolving Principle and abolishing the obsolete House of Lords altogether is the proper method for preventing power from corrupting. Sortition maintains superfluous systems and bodies of power and corruption while merely rotating the people who service that corruption.

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What you write makes sense. It's related to both the problem of entrenched interests and to the Peter principle which states that "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."

entrenched interests

Since we are talking elsewhere about writing authoritative wiki articles, I notice that there are no wikipedia article on the topic of "entrenched interests". A google search however brings some interesting results. Entrenched interests are a problem in our society, and I'm sure we could find many examples where such interests were detrimental to our society. Thus: #16328: Create article on Entrenched interests.

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Well put.